Comments on: Is IE7 just as bad as IE6? http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/ Free Web Design and Web Development Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:46:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Dean http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-307 Dean Sun, 01 Apr 2007 03:17:02 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-307 Can you send me details of what you tried and what happened? Thanks! Dean Can you send me details of what you tried and what happened? Thanks! Dean

]]> By: Tony http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-308 Tony Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:18:45 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-308 Hmm... I've heard that IE7 is magnitudes of improvement over IE6, though I haven't had a chance to use it myself yet. I imagine that it's somewhere in between IE6's broken engine, and actual standards. I'm kind of curious as to what part of your CSS it breaks. There doesn't seem to be much tricky stuff, beyond the * hack. Hmm… I’ve heard that IE7 is magnitudes of improvement over IE6, though I haven’t had a chance to use it myself yet. I imagine that it’s somewhere in between IE6’s broken engine, and actual standards. I’m kind of curious as to what part of your CSS it breaks. There doesn’t seem to be much tricky stuff, beyond the * hack.

]]> By: SiteLogic http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-309 SiteLogic Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:48:41 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-309 It was not on this site, I have probably gone a bit ott in this post anyway, it is sure to be better than IE6.... It was not on this site, I have probably gone a bit ott in this post anyway, it is sure to be better than IE6….

]]> By: SiteLogic http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-310 SiteLogic Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:49:16 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-310 Yes Ill do that, Jez Yes Ill do that,

Jez

]]> By: Tony http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-311 Tony Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:15:06 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-311 Ah, ok. I just the transitional state of IE7 breaking on existing IE6 hacks. It's cool that MSDN guys are picking up on your complaints this fast. There's hope yet ;) Ah, ok. I just the transitional state of IE7 breaking on existing IE6 hacks.

It’s cool that MSDN guys are picking up on your complaints this fast. There’s hope yet ;)

]]> By: SiteLogic http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-312 SiteLogic Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:28:55 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-312 I know I was pleasantly surprised by that, it is very encouraging!! It almost made me feel guilty about the title of my post... ;-) I know I was pleasantly surprised by that, it is very encouraging!!

It almost made me feel guilty about the title of my post… ;-)

]]> By: Spud Oregon http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-315 Spud Oregon Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:37:05 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-315 Sorry to hear IE7 is treating you badly. I've had it installed since it was in beta and I love it. Sorry to hear IE7 is treating you badly. I’ve had it installed since it was in beta and I love it.

]]> By: Dean http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-317 Dean Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:37:42 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-317 Thanks -- FYI I don't have mail from you yet. not sure if it's caught in one of the n layers of junk mail protection that IT has in place... Thanks — FYI I don’t have mail from you yet. not sure if it’s caught in one of the n layers of junk mail protection that IT has in place…

]]> By: SiteLogic http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-324 SiteLogic Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:49:40 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-324 Hi Spud, What do you like about it? Im sure its a lot better than IE6, Ill perservere with it! Hi Spud,

What do you like about it?

Im sure its a lot better than IE6, Ill perservere with it!

]]> By: SiteLogic http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-325 SiteLogic Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:50:08 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-325 Hi dean, I havent mailed it to you yet, will do so shortly, Jez Hi dean, I havent mailed it to you yet, will do so shortly,

Jez

]]> By: Jason Spence http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-326 Jason Spence Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:54:46 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-326 I still prefer Firefox. I suppose that is because it was first into the tabbed browsing race and I am just sticking with out of habit. I do use IE7 at work for certain applications. It's not too bad. I still prefer Firefox. I suppose that is because it was first into the tabbed browsing race and I am just sticking with out of habit. I do use IE7 at work for certain applications. It’s not too bad.

]]> By: Jez http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-327 Jez Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:51:20 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-327 Yeah it isnt that bad, I think Ill edit the title of the post, it is'nt really fair, I was a bit annoyed when I wrote it :twisted: Yeah it isnt that bad, I think Ill edit the title of the post, it is’nt really fair, I was a bit annoyed when I wrote it :twisted:

]]> By: Tony http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-328 Tony Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:43:17 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-328 Actually Netcaptor, Mozilla, and Opera all had tabbed browsing before Firefox ;) Though I'd go with the latter for all the other extensions. Actually Netcaptor, Mozilla, and Opera all had tabbed browsing before Firefox ;) Though I’d go with the latter for all the other extensions.

]]> By: Jon Lee http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-330 Jon Lee Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:16:42 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-330 There's no way to run IE6 on Vista!! I can't even test it properly! There’s no way to run IE6 on Vista!! I can’t even test it properly!

]]> By: Dean http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-331 Dean Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:44:45 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-331 re IE6 on Vista, please look at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/03/20/ie6-vpc-refresh-now-available.aspx re IE6 on Vista, please look at
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/03/20/ie6-vpc-refresh-now-available.aspx

]]> By: Frank http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-332 Frank Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:14:41 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-332 I've used IE7 on the a test machine at work and had no real complaints so far. It does seem to take an exhorbatant amount of time to install. I got the feeling it was like an OS service pack with all the file copies it was doing. On the compatibility front it seems to be much better than IE6 but I haven't really put it through it's paces. Kudos to Dean though for an excellent follow up in this case. Well done. I’ve used IE7 on the a test machine at work and had no real complaints so far. It does seem to take an exhorbatant amount of time to install. I got the feeling it was like an OS service pack with all the file copies it was doing. On the compatibility front it seems to be much better than IE6 but I haven’t really put it through it’s paces.

Kudos to Dean though for an excellent follow up in this case. Well done.

]]> By: Spud Oregon http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-333 Spud Oregon Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:28:12 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-333 I never bothered with all the Firefox addons, so the two things that made Firefox great for me were tabbed browsing and rss feeds. With them in IE7, I've got all I need. I also like the zoom function, and printing is a doddle - especially now you can just drag the margins in or out. On top of that, it blends in beautifully with Vista whereas Firefox feels a bit alien. I'm kind of the opposite of most webmasters. I build sites for IE because it's the most used browser, and then test them in Firefox and co. When things don't render in anything but IE, I scream a lot and curse Firefox! :grin: I never bothered with all the Firefox addons, so the two things that made Firefox great for me were tabbed browsing and rss feeds. With them in IE7, I’ve got all I need. I also like the zoom function, and printing is a doddle - especially now you can just drag the margins in or out. On top of that, it blends in beautifully with Vista whereas Firefox feels a bit alien.

I’m kind of the opposite of most webmasters. I build sites for IE because it’s the most used browser, and then test them in Firefox and co. When things don’t render in anything but IE, I scream a lot and curse Firefox! :grin:

]]> By: Tony http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-334 Tony Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:46:29 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-334 Actually that's a fallacy. I suppose it depends on what your site is about, but for those with technical audience, actual usage of IE is significantly less. Looking at my own stats over the last 30 days various versions of Firefox (each patch gets its own group) accounted for 37% of visitors. Closely followed by IE6 with 36% and IE7 with 20%. And before anyone decides to point out "But Tony, IE6 and IE7 add up to a whooping 56% total!", please recall the original topic of this discussion - IE7's render is significantly different from IE6. So I'm sorry Spud Oregon, but with a technically oriented traffic around, any particular version of IE is actually a minority browser ;) Actually that’s a fallacy. I suppose it depends on what your site is about, but for those with technical audience, actual usage of IE is significantly less. Looking at my own stats over the last 30 days various versions of Firefox (each patch gets its own group) accounted for 37% of visitors. Closely followed by IE6 with 36% and IE7 with 20%.

And before anyone decides to point out “But Tony, IE6 and IE7 add up to a whooping 56% total!”, please recall the original topic of this discussion - IE7’s render is significantly different from IE6.

So I’m sorry Spud Oregon, but with a technically oriented traffic around, any particular version of IE is actually a minority browser ;)

]]> By: Gregg http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-335 Gregg Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:51:27 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-335 I honestly can't stand IE7..The font looks blury!!! grrr That's why I stick with FireFox :D I honestly can’t stand IE7..The font looks blury!!! grrr

That’s why I stick with FireFox :D

]]> By: Spud Oregon http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-337 Spud Oregon Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:04:51 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-337 Sorry Tony, my bad. You're spot on when talking about a technical audience. I have a bunch of sites about child education, and over 90% of my traffic uses IE, that's why I build for IE. Back to rendering... Sorry Tony, my bad. You’re spot on when talking about a technical audience. I have a bunch of sites about child education, and over 90% of my traffic uses IE, that’s why I build for IE. Back to rendering…

]]> By: Dean http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-338 Dean Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:36:47 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-338 Can you try turning off ClearType? Tools / Internet Options / Advanced / Multimedia "Always use ClearType for HTML." IE7 defaults to using ClearType; there is an option in the first run page to turn it off. Can you try turning off ClearType? Tools / Internet Options / Advanced / Multimedia “Always use ClearType for HTML.”

IE7 defaults to using ClearType; there is an option in the first run page to turn it off.

]]> By: SiteLogic http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-340 SiteLogic Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:25:12 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-340 It is possible to run IE6 in Linux, so Im sure there is a way to run it in Vista, when you learn how be sure to let me know :mrgreen: It is possible to run IE6 in Linux, so Im sure there is a way to run it in Vista, when you learn how be sure to let me know :mrgreen:

]]> By: Everyday Weekender http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-342 Everyday Weekender Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:30:10 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-342 I don't know personally I think i.e. 7 is better the 6.. but maybe because I use firefox now ;) I don’t know personally I think i.e. 7 is better the 6.. but maybe because I use firefox now ;)

]]> By: Web Design Media http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-10356 Web Design Media Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:16:30 +0000 http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/ie7-is-just-as-bad-as-ie6-making-it-a-real-piece-of-junk/#comment-10356 Honestly, Firefox is the best web browser...IE7 is good though, but its no match for Firefox :mrgreen: Honestly, Firefox is the best web browser…IE7 is good though, but its no match for Firefox :mrgreen:

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